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is it manslaughter is the women has a natural abortion?

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Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:46 am
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is it manslaughter is the women has a natural abortion


Knowing the attitude of someof them - probably. After all we probably did sometihng to make our bodies abort it, seeing as we're evil women.

When men can have a uterus and carry a featus and then give brith to it, then they can tell me what to do with my own body. Until then, not a chance in burny hell


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When men can have a uterus and carry a featus and then give brith to it, then they can tell me what to do with my own body. Until then, not a chance in burny hell

I agree with that 100%. I lose respect for men who take it upon themselves to decide what's best for a woman. If I'm the father and am directly involved then my opinion should count for something, but ultimately, the decision lies with the woman.

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Abortion is murder. No matter how you put it an innocent life is ended. Abortion should be illegal, no matter the age of the unborn child.


Is using a condom, murder?


No. Using contraceptives is not murder. Life is created at conception. Therefore using a condom does not end life, since it did not exist to be ended.


Your sperm lives. It fights and swims for its little life. It has instinct and awareness, it knows what it has to do and how urgent that is. Don't you kill it by using a condom?

The question of when life is established, is key. But that is decided in law. And it's not at conception.

This seems like a get-out for men, Rupchuk. It's ok for men to prevent birth, but not women. It looks like sexism.

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Abortion is murder. No matter how you put it an innocent life is ended. Abortion should be illegal, no matter the age of the unborn child.


There is no such thing as an "unborn" child. A blastocyst is not a person.

Two questions: if abortion is murder, should women who have miscarriages be charged with manslaughter? If you were in a burning building and you have to choose between saving a zygote or a six-year-old?

Your belief that abortion is murder does not warrant its being banned.

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Your sperm lives. It fights and swims for its little life. It has instinct and awareness, it knows what it has to do and how urgent that is. Don't you kill it by using a condom?

The question of when life is established, is key. But that is decided in law. And it's not at conception.

This seems like a get-out for men, Rupchuk. It's ok for men to prevent birth, but not women. It looks like sexism.


Ending life isn't a problem. We kill bacteria all the time. Wearing clothes causes us to kill skin cells. Life has no inherent value. The vast majority of living organisms are single-celled; no one has a problem with killing any number of those (I assume). It's sentient life that has value.

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Do people still not realize that sex causes pregnancy?


Easy for someone who doesn't have to live with the consequences (a man) to say. But, if you want to continue in that logical vein, should be also ban pencil erasers since we should also accept the consequences of making spelling mistakes? How about delete keys?

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Rupchuk wrote:
Abortion is murder. No matter how you put it an innocent life is ended. Abortion should be illegal, no matter the age of the unborn child.


You really surprised me with that one ruppy.

I thought you believed in no government interference, that personal liberty is the ultimate.
I think that abortion is the ultimate personal liberty for a woman. The liberty to chose what happens in and with her own body.

Also how do you reconcile your view that abortion is murder but capital punishment is not murder?


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